Lot Closures and their Reports

[theman]

I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I can click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for surety. Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think this is true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a square box.
You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct closure? To me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of course is that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead many of the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the drafting was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted on the map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these lines are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure based upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure by selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this still is not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to have hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question: Why cant I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the command to do so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.



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[Doug Sims]

I had this same problem. I am using 2004. The solution I found is a bit
limited, but it does work.

I use the command under Tools > Deed by Screen Entities
This provides a closure based on a beginning point and the bearing and
distance text in the drawing.
Select the command and choose the "Individual" option (I), then pick a
point of beginning (snap on a corner) and select the bearing and
distance text as you are prompted to do so. When you finish, hit enter
and it will pull up a text editor showing your bearings and distances
along with coordinates and a closure report.

This command does have some limitations though.
1. It doesn't like it when the bearing and distance are in the same line
of text (this may be fixed in 2006, but I doubt it).
2. It doesn't handle curves at all, so you will have to label the chords
and use that text. And if you use the "BRG" and "C=" ones that the arc
label creates, it will break. I copy them and remove the extra data, and
then delete them after I check the closure.

I think this addresses your major concerns of the labels being correct
(direction and distance) to what you have drawn, and the lots lines
closing (mathematically). It isn't the perfect solution, but it does
work (most of the time).

--Doug

theman wrote:

I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I can click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for surety. Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think this is true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a square box.
You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct closure? To me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of course is that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead many of the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the drafting was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted on the map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these lines are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure based upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure by selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this still is not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to have hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question: Why cant I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the command to do so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.



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[pwh1968]

We use the inverse with area command under the Area menu. It gives you
all the information you are looking for.

Paul



theman wrote:

I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I can
click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a
printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for surety.
Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think this is
true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a square box.

You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct closure? To
me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of course is
that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead many of
the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are
mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the drafting
was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted on the
map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these lines
are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure based
upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure by
selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this still is
not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to have
hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected
endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question: Why cant
I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the command to do
so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.

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[Doug Sims]

This is fine (since it handles curves well), but it does not verify
bearing and distance labels on the plat. You still don't know if you
have the correct label for the lines (or points) you pick unless you
compare the printout to the labels on screen.
Of course, now that I read it again, the original question was asking
for a printable report so this a good solution. I may start using this
myself actually.

--Doug

pwh1968 wrote:

We use the inverse with area command under the Area menu. It gives you
all the information you are looking for.

Paul



theman wrote:


I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I can
click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a
printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for surety.
Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think this is
true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a square box.

You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct closure? To
me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of course is
that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead many of
the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are
mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the drafting
was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted on the
map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these lines
are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure based
upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure by
selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this still is
not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to have
hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected
endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question: Why cant
I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the command to do
so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.



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[theman]

Yes, the closure programs do what they say they do but I would question
why these routines exist separately? I know that our old DCA program did
what I need without issue. It was EXTREMELY handy and useful. It was a
substantial time saver when dealing with large plats. That program even
went as far as saving all your closures into one printable form instead of
one separate form for each lot. It just seems to me that this is not a
huge step from what the program already does and as such, I just wondered
if I am missing some routine or setting somewhere.
My real hope is the steering committee will read this and provide for a
solution in their next version. I would be first in line for this upgrade!
Thanks.

Doug Sims wrote:

This is fine (since it handles curves well), but it does not verify
bearing and distance labels on the plat. You still don't know if you
have the correct label for the lines (or points) you pick unless you
compare the printout to the labels on screen.
Of course, now that I read it again, the original question was asking
for a printable report so this a good solution. I may start using this
myself actually.

--Doug

pwh1968 wrote:
We use the inverse with area command under the Area menu. It gives
you
all the information you are looking for.

Paul



theman wrote:


I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print
out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I
can
click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a
printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for
surety.
Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read
through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to
prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think
this is
true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a
square box.

You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct
closure? To
me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of
course is
that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not
need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead
many of
the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are
mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the
drafting
was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted
on the
map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these
lines
are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure
based
upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a
printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure
by
selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow
up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this
still is
not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to
have
hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected
endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question:
Why cant
I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements
of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the
command to do
so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.



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[mkorns]

I use tools pull down menu, polyline tools, polyline report. You need to
be sure that your boundary line is a closed polyline. It will give you a
closure error in the report.

theman wrote:

I am wondering why not, or if 'Survey' has the ability to print out a
report on lot closures via lines and curves? Now I know that I can
click
on end points of lines, Pcs, PTs, RPs of curves, etc and get a
printable
report but frankly this does nothing to satisfy my need for surety.
Once
the report is printed you will still need to go back, read through the
report and follow along with your bearing and curve data to prove the
closure report is good (or vice versa). If you do not think this is
true,
then turn off your SNAPS and do the very same thing around a square box.

You will definately get a closure, but is it the correct closure? To
me
the closure report serves two main functions. The first of course is
that
for submitting Plats and Subdivisions in my region you do not need to
provide legal descriptions for the intended lots but instead many of
the
municipalities require the closure report to prove they are
mathematically
closed figures. The second reason is to prove to me that the drafting
was
done correctly and in fact all the bearings and distances noted on the
map
have a true correlation to their associated line and that these lines
are
truly connected. Carlson's program does provide a lot closure based
upon
selection of linework but this routine does not produce a printable
report. One would think you could first perform the closure by
selection
of lot elements to prove they close (physically), then follow up with a
closure report by clicking on the lines. Unfortunately this still is
not
enough to prove no errors were made. It is quite possible to have
hidden
or unerlying lines, bisecting lines very near to your selected
endpoints,
or other anomolies. So I would end with my initial question: Why cant
I
get a printable report from the process of selecting elements of my
closure? And if you can do this, please let me know the command to do
so.
BTW, I am using survey 2004 and 2006.

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