Correct Setup/Startup Procedure for Carlson Survey 2004

[Yo]

Hello Group:

As someone, who has used AutoCAD and LDDT for nearly 15 years, I have a
few habits to break when I try to use Carlson Software 2004 for my surveying
determinations or topographic mapping. My biggest problem appears to be in
how
the points are generated i.e. individual CRD files vs. ONE large point file.
I somehow
manage to create situations where the points lose their links to the
drawing, and cause
me to autosave, so that I can recover the file and start over. OK, I thought
I knew the
proper technique to START a new drawing and then bring in points. BUT, my
crews
are generating new files daily for the project and I would prefer to keep
the file as a whole
after it is checked and imported to the screen. Also, I like to separate my
points onto layers
so that I can see what I'm doing...using Point Groups is the preferred
method yet I still
have a situation where multiple points exist atop another even though the
Point Protect
box is checked. The manual isn't much help to me, and maybe I just to damn
dumb
to learn yet another CAD program, BUT, does anyone have an answer or advice
to
follow so that I quit frustrating myself. Its no fun to constantly be kicked
out of the program
when erasing points from the screen just so I can view my work area.

Oh, yeah, I've called Tech Support for this, but we just never seem to get
on the same
page regarding the issue. My employer has this thing for Carlson and
SurvCADD, thats
why I am using it instead of what I cut my surveying teeth on.

Hope somebody out there can straighten out this old-timer before he loses
all his hair.

Thanks.

REW

[R.K. McSwain]

On 9/2/2004 7:15 PM Yo wrote:

Hello Group:

As someone, who has used AutoCAD and LDDT for nearly 15 years, I have a
few habits to break when I try to use Carlson Software 2004 for my
surveying
determinations or topographic mapping. My biggest problem appears to
be in
how
the points are generated i.e. individual CRD files vs. ONE large
point file.

There is nothing that says you *have to* use multiple CRD files.
You can certainly use one CRD file for you project.

I somehow
manage to create situations where the points lose their links to the
drawing, and cause
me to autosave, so that I can recover the file and start over.

That sentence doesn't make sense.

OK, I thought
I knew the
proper technique to START a new drawing and then bring in points.
BUT, my
crews
are generating new files daily for the project and I would prefer to
keep
the file as a whole
after it is checked and imported to the screen.

I don't understand what is keeping you from doing this.

Also, I like to separate my
points onto layers
so that I can see what I'm doing...

Are you using Field to Finish? That's the easiest way to automatically
put your points (and optionally the point attributes) onto separate
layers for later isolation.

using Point Groups is the preferred
method yet I still
have a situation where multiple points exist atop another even
though the
Point Protect
box is checked.

If you are using mutiple CRD files, then that makes sense. Point protect
only looks at the current CRD file.

Oh, yeah, I've called Tech Support for this, but we just never seem
to get
on the same
page regarding the issue. My employer has this thing for Carlson and
SurvCADD, thats
why I am using it instead of what I cut my surveying teeth on.

Maybe a day of training would help. When you consider the billable time
wasted on self-learning, professional training is pretty affordable.


Good luck.

[Stephen Rhodes]

Yo,
a wish of mine for Carlson/SurvCADD is to process MORE than one rw5 file at
a time (into a crd file). Is this what you are talking about? We also
have many crews on one project, and managing them individually is not always
tidy. (our old software processed one or more at a time and it does have
benefits.)
Regards...Stephen Rhodes


"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ch8d27$p5h$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Hello Group:

As someone, who has used AutoCAD and LDDT for nearly 15 years, I have a
few habits to break when I try to use Carlson Software 2004 for my
surveying
determinations or topographic mapping. My biggest problem appears to be in
how
the points are generated i.e. individual CRD files vs. ONE large point
file.
I somehow
manage to create situations where the points lose their links to the
drawing, and cause
me to autosave, so that I can recover the file and start over. OK, I
thought
I knew the
proper technique to START a new drawing and then bring in points. BUT, my
crews
are generating new files daily for the project and I would prefer to keep
the file as a whole
after it is checked and imported to the screen. Also, I like to separate
my
points onto layers
so that I can see what I'm doing...using Point Groups is the preferred
method yet I still
have a situation where multiple points exist atop another even though the
Point Protect
box is checked. The manual isn't much help to me, and maybe I just to damn
dumb
to learn yet another CAD program, BUT, does anyone have an answer or
advice
to
follow so that I quit frustrating myself. Its no fun to constantly be
kicked
out of the program
when erasing points from the screen just so I can view my work area.

Oh, yeah, I've called Tech Support for this, but we just never seem to get
on the same
page regarding the issue. My employer has this thing for Carlson and
SurvCADD, thats
why I am using it instead of what I cut my surveying teeth on.

Hope somebody out there can straighten out this old-timer before he loses
all his hair.

Thanks.

REW

[Yo]

Your response is welcome; thanks for not flaming me like the guy before.
I've really got issues with
the program and yes maybe a lot of the problem is with me. All I was
looking for was a little advice
from someone who has used the SurvCadd or carlson software and was
comfortable with it. The BIG
issue for me is with the points and how to eliminate the errors I have
experienced using this program.
Tech support is very good BUT I can't seem to reproduce the problem when
talking to them. Anyway,
thanks again for an intelligent response to my rambling.
REW


"Stephen Rhodes" <stephen.rhodes@fyfe.com.au> wrote in message
news:cherlc$quc$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Yo,
a wish of mine for Carlson/SurvCADD is to process MORE than one rw5 file
at
a time (into a crd file). Is this what you are talking about? We also
have many crews on one project, and managing them individually is not
always
tidy. (our old software processed one or more at a time and it does have
benefits.)
Regards...Stephen Rhodes


"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ch8d27$p5h$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Hello Group:

As someone, who has used AutoCAD and LDDT for nearly 15 years, I have a
few habits to break when I try to use Carlson Software 2004 for my
surveying
determinations or topographic mapping. My biggest problem appears to be
in
how
the points are generated i.e. individual CRD files vs. ONE large point
file.
I somehow
manage to create situations where the points lose their links to the
drawing, and cause
me to autosave, so that I can recover the file and start over. OK, I
thought
I knew the
proper technique to START a new drawing and then bring in points. BUT, my
crews
are generating new files daily for the project and I would prefer to keep
the file as a whole
after it is checked and imported to the screen. Also, I like to separate
my
points onto layers
so that I can see what I'm doing...using Point Groups is the preferred
method yet I still
have a situation where multiple points exist atop another even though the
Point Protect
box is checked. The manual isn't much help to me, and maybe I just to
damn
dumb
to learn yet another CAD program, BUT, does anyone have an answer or
advice
to
follow so that I quit frustrating myself. Its no fun to constantly be
kicked
out of the program
when erasing points from the screen just so I can view my work area.

Oh, yeah, I've called Tech Support for this, but we just never seem to
get
on the same
page regarding the issue. My employer has this thing for Carlson and
SurvCADD, thats
why I am using it instead of what I cut my surveying teeth on.

Hope somebody out there can straighten out this old-timer before he loses
all his hair.

Thanks.

REW

[Stephen Rhodes]

REW/Yo,

It seems that Carlson Survey works differently to the way you may
have previously worked. Give it time ... it does have good features.
I think that R.K. was right though - training may be the best.

Regards...Stephen Rhodes (Australia)


"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:chk77u$lje$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Your response is welcome; thanks for not flaming me like the guy before.
I've really got issues with
the program and yes maybe a lot of the problem is with me. All I was
looking for was a little advice
from someone who has used the SurvCadd or carlson software and was
comfortable with it. The BIG
issue for me is with the points and how to eliminate the errors I have
experienced using this program.
Tech support is very good BUT I can't seem to reproduce the problem when
talking to them. Anyway,
thanks again for an intelligent response to my rambling.
REW


"Stephen Rhodes" <stephen.rhodes@fyfe.com.au> wrote in message
news:cherlc$quc$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Yo,
a wish of mine for Carlson/SurvCADD is to process MORE than one rw5 file
at
a time (into a crd file). Is this what you are talking about? We also
have many crews on one project, and managing them individually is not
always
tidy. (our old software processed one or more at a time and it does
have
benefits.)
Regards...Stephen Rhodes


"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ch8d27$p5h$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Hello Group:

As someone, who has used AutoCAD and LDDT for nearly 15 years, I have a
few habits to break when I try to use Carlson Software 2004 for my
surveying
determinations or topographic mapping. My biggest problem appears to be
in
how
the points are generated i.e. individual CRD files vs. ONE large point
file.
I somehow
manage to create situations where the points lose their links to the
drawing, and cause
me to autosave, so that I can recover the file and start over. OK, I
thought
I knew the
proper technique to START a new drawing and then bring in points. BUT,
my
crews
are generating new files daily for the project and I would prefer to
keep
the file as a whole
after it is checked and imported to the screen. Also, I like to
separate
my
points onto layers
so that I can see what I'm doing...using Point Groups is the preferred
method yet I still
have a situation where multiple points exist atop another even though
the
Point Protect
box is checked. The manual isn't much help to me, and maybe I just to
damn
dumb
to learn yet another CAD program, BUT, does anyone have an answer or
advice
to
follow so that I quit frustrating myself. Its no fun to constantly be
kicked
out of the program
when erasing points from the screen just so I can view my work area.

Oh, yeah, I've called Tech Support for this, but we just never seem to
get
on the same
page regarding the issue. My employer has this thing for Carlson and
SurvCADD, thats
why I am using it instead of what I cut my surveying teeth on.

Hope somebody out there can straighten out this old-timer before he
loses
all his hair.

Thanks.

REW

[R.K. McSwain]

"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote...

Your response is welcome; thanks for not flaming me like the guy before.

Flaming you???? Surely you are kidding.
I simply answered your questions that I could understand.

I've really got issues with
the program

Keep in mind, this is peer-to-peer support. Other users can't change how the program works.

[Yo]

To R.K.

Ok, maybe you weren't flaming me but it sure appeared that way to me...

My issue is that I am receiving "unhandled access error messages" when
trying to erase points
from both screen and coordinate file. The link between drawing and point
database has somehow
become corrupted causing the program to (sic) "gag" and produce a box
message indicating that
I should save my drawing as XXXXX_recover001 (and so on) before proceeding.
I have since
found out that it is advisable to locate points by range rather than ALL as
I had been doing. (My
earlier diatribe indicated that multiple points had been found occupying the
same position and I
needed a way to prevent this from happening).

Yeah, the problem could be training BUT keep in mind I said I've been
working on CAD for
a long time, albeit some form of COGO or AutoCAD/LDDT and my experience with
point
files has been of no consequence until my involvement with Carlson. For me
to attend basic
training in the use of the program would be non-productive; I require a more
advanced class,
if you will. I've already followed the traing movie on the CD plus
additional subject matter on
their website. Believe me, it hasn't touched on my specific error condition.
I know Survey 2004
is a light version of a more powerful program but its limitations aren't at
the root of my problem.

I've customized toolbars and specific fonts and layer settings in generating
my own drawing
template when starting a drawing so I'm way past a beginner's mindset. My
request is not to
change how the program works BUT to understand how it works with points and
to use it to
my advantage. So, therefore, I digress and humbly re-issue my request for
assistance on how
to prevent the unhandled access errors from occuring. If you can render any
assistance other
than to tell me to I need to attend training, please do.

Thanks.



"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:chkgl2$qlr$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote...

Your response is welcome; thanks for not flaming me like the guy before.

Flaming you???? Surely you are kidding.
I simply answered your questions that I could understand.

I've really got issues with
the program

Keep in mind, this is peer-to-peer support. Other users can't change how the
program works.

[R.K. McSwain]

"Yo" <rewijkowski@comcast.net> wrote...

So, therefore, I digress and humbly re-issue my request for
assistance on how
to prevent the unhandled access errors from occuring.

Since you (or someone like your company) paid $$$$ for this program, I would contact Carlson and demand that the program work as advertised (meaning no crashes while erasing points). That is not to say that the problem is due to a bug, since there are many, many factors involved in a complex program such as AutoCAD. But -> it is reasonable to expect Carlson to deliver on their promise of great technical support by helping you through this problem. Even if that means they send a rep to your location. It is highly unlikely that a user in these newsgroups will have the solution to your problem.

Good luck again.