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Posted: **Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:36 am**

When saving a job in another name the crd file of the original name
remains linked to the new file. It would be preferrable to create a crd
file with the new name. If you are unaware of this present situation you
can corrupt the CRD file of the original Job. For example I wanted to
take a copy of the current job and send in onto some other party. I
needed to rotate the job onto a different azimuth. I saved it in the new
name, stripped a lot of the unnecessary data out of the file then
rotated and shifted using the autocad commands. I was prompted to
maintain links, I thought I chose not to. Then I discovered the new job
was pointing to the original CRD file. When I went back to my original
job the CRD file was a mess. Fortunately i had a backup of the file.
When you open the Drawing Explorer in the new job there is no mentioned
of the link to the original crd file. If you open coordinate file
manager you cannot remove the link to the old crd file.

Posted: **Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:10 pm**

I've had this same problem. My only solution so far is to immediately
create a new CRD file for the copied drawing, since (as you mentioned)
there is no facility to 'un-link' a CRD file. That way you don't mess it
up as you said.

I have tried to get around this by "wblock"-ing out the information that
I want to send (or save as a detail), but this produces the same result
as the example mentioned.

It is possible this is a bug. I am using CS2004. Which version are you
using Col?

--Doug Sims

Col Cadman wrote:

When saving a job in another name the crd file of the original name
remains linked to the new file. It would be preferrable to create a crd
file with the new name. If you are unaware of this present situation you
can corrupt the CRD file of the original Job. For example I wanted to
take a copy of the current job and send in onto some other party. I
needed to rotate the job onto a different azimuth. I saved it in the new
name, stripped a lot of the unnecessary data out of the file then
rotated and shifted using the autocad commands. I was prompted to
maintain links, I thought I chose not to. Then I discovered the new job
was pointing to the original CRD file. When I went back to my original
job the CRD file was a mess. Fortunately i had a backup of the file.
When you open the Drawing Explorer in the new job there is no mentioned
of the link to the original crd file. If you open coordinate file
manager you cannot remove the link to the old crd file.

Posted: **Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:56 pm**

Whenever you do a "save as", it always maintains or links to the current
crd file. If I want to preserve the integrity of the original crd file,
I will create a new crd file, go to coord file utilities, and update the
new crd file from the drawing. Then, you can go about
rotating/translating/adding points, etc, and not "mess up" the original
file.

I personally prefer Carlson maintaining the link to the current crd file
when I save it as a different name. For instance, if I am adding to or
revising a drawing, I can keep the original drawing in it's current
state, and add new points to the old crd file without having a lot of
duplicate points. However, I almost always work in state plane, and
don't move my points around very often. I don't think this is a bug,
it's just a matter of preference.

I believe the new stand alone version of Survey 2007 will have more
options according to the documentation for the recently released version
that runs inside of Acad, such as a history of point rotations,
translations, editing, etc. If I understand it right, we will be able to
go back to a certain state in the crd file.
terry

Col Cadman wrote:

When saving a job in another name the crd file of the original name
remains linked to the new file. It would be preferrable to create a crd
file with the new name. If you are unaware of this present situation you
can corrupt the CRD file of the original Job. For example I wanted to
take a copy of the current job and send in onto some other party. I
needed to rotate the job onto a different azimuth. I saved it in the new
name, stripped a lot of the unnecessary data out of the file then
rotated and shifted using the autocad commands. I was prompted to
maintain links, I thought I chose not to. Then I discovered the new job
was pointing to the original CRD file. When I went back to my original
job the CRD file was a mess. Fortunately i had a backup of the file.
When you open the Drawing Explorer in the new job there is no mentioned
of the link to the original crd file. If you open coordinate file
manager you cannot remove the link to the old crd file.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:13 am**

I am using cs2006. I do not regard it as a bug but I think convention
would be if you take a copy, you have a copy and not one half a copy. I
can see sometimes it may be useful to link to the original. That should
be the option and the covention should copy a job ..all of it.

Doug Sims wrote:

I've had this same problem. My only solution so far is to immediately
create a new CRD file for the copied drawing, since (as you mentioned)
there is no facility to 'un-link' a CRD file. That way you don't mess it
up as you said.

I have tried to get around this by "wblock"-ing out the information that
I want to send (or save as a detail), but this produces the same result
as the example mentioned.

It is possible this is a bug. I am using CS2004. Which version are you
using Col?

--Doug Sims

Col Cadman wrote:

When saving a job in another name the crd file of the original name
remains linked to the new file. It would be preferrable to create a
crd file with the new name. If you are unaware of this present
situation you can corrupt the CRD file of the original Job. For
example I wanted to take a copy of the current job and send in onto
some other party. I needed to rotate the job onto a different azimuth.
I saved it in the new name, stripped a lot of the unnecessary data out
of the file then rotated and shifted using the autocad commands. I was
prompted to maintain links, I thought I chose not to. Then I
discovered the new job was pointing to the original CRD file. When I
went back to my original job the CRD file was a mess. Fortunately i
had a backup of the file.
When you open the Drawing Explorer in the new job there is no
mentioned of the link to the original crd file. If you open coordinate
file manager you cannot remove the link to the old crd file.
I am using cs2006. I do not regard it as a bug but I think convention

would be if you take a copy you have a copy and not one half a a copy.
I can see sometimes it may be useful to link tothe original. That should
be the option and the covention should copy a job ..all of it.

Posted: **Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:15 pm**

In response to Terry and Col,
I think what I meant as a bug was the fact that the CRD file is not
shown as linked in the drawing explorer, but it is linked to the
drawing. I don't really mind the CRD file coming with a 'save as' but I
think there should be some documentation for it (in the manual), or at
least an "unlink CRD from drawing" command for the drawing.

--Doug Sims

Col Cadman wrote:

When saving a job in another name the crd file of the original name
remains linked to the new file. It would be preferrable to create a crd
file with the new name. If you are unaware of this present situation you
can corrupt the CRD file of the original Job. For example I wanted to
take a copy of the current job and send in onto some other party. I
needed to rotate the job onto a different azimuth. I saved it in the new
name, stripped a lot of the unnecessary data out of the file then
rotated and shifted using the autocad commands. I was prompted to
maintain links, I thought I chose not to. Then I discovered the new job
was pointing to the original CRD file. When I went back to my original
job the CRD file was a mess. Fortunately i had a backup of the file.
When you open the Drawing Explorer in the new job there is no mentioned
of the link to the original crd file. If you open coordinate file
manager you cannot remove the link to the old crd file.

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