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Posted: **Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:03 pm**

I want to double check some lots closure precision.

I have a plan (hard copy) that shows all the lots and roads for a
subdivision and it shows distances, bearings and curves info.

How can I re-draw these lots and roads, and make sure there is an acceptable
closure error/precision, using the distance and bearing data provided on the
plan? What module and commands of SurvCADD XML should I use?

I tried looking at the tutorials and can't seem to get it. (?)

Thank you for any help.

Posted: **Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:19 am**

cogo module > tools pulldown menu then enter deed description.
traverse by = bearing
point format = none
when entering the bearing it will prompt for quadrant and bearing. the
quadrants are: 1=ne 2=se 3=sw 4=nw ie; 243.2323 = quad/degrees .
minutes/seconds. after that enter the distance

hope that helps

Posted: **Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:14 am**

Enter Deed description is by far the only sure way to check lot closures.
You can make lot reports, print them out, then check each one. But that
leaves the chance if transposing numbers or quadrants.

Jason

"djohnson" <look@below.com> wrote in message
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cogo module > tools pulldown menu then enter deed description.
traverse by = bearing
point format = none
when entering the bearing it will prompt for quadrant and bearing. the
quadrants are: 1=ne 2=se 3=sw 4=nw ie; 243.2323 = quad/degrees .
minutes/seconds. after that enter the distance

hope that helps

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:29 pm**

Thanks so much guys.

Now, I have been running into the following problem:
When entering the deed description from the data on the plan for a line with
bearing N08-16'-37"W the line is drawn in the opposite direction of what is
shown on the plan!!! So I tried S08-16'-37"E and it is drawn in the correct
direction but (of course) the label doesn't correspond to the plan label and
I am not sure this is the best practice, specially regarding closure
precision.

I am trying to input the data directly from the plan (ASAP) and have ran
into the same problem twice: Entering the bearing shown on the plan will
result in a line or curve drawn in the opposite direction. I am stuck!

I would appreciate some suggestions and advice on how to solve this problem.

Thank you.

"Jason Bly" <noemail@sorry.com> wrote in message
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Enter Deed description is by far the only sure way to check lot closures.
You can make lot reports, print them out, then check each one. But that
leaves the chance if transposing numbers or quadrants.

Jason

"djohnson" <look@below.com> wrote in message
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cogo module > tools pulldown menu then enter deed description.
traverse by = bearing
point format = none
when entering the bearing it will prompt for quadrant and bearing. the
quadrants are: 1=ne 2=se 3=sw 4=nw ie; 243.2323 = quad/degrees .
minutes/seconds. after that enter the distance

hope that helps

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:37 pm**

i dont see any problem in what your doing. I would make note of it and
pass that info on to who ever needs to know.

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:44 pm**

thanks for the advice djohnson.

"djohnson" <look@below.com> wrote in message
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i dont see any problem in what your doing. I would make note of it and pass
that info on to who ever needs to know.

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:14 pm**

How can I enter curve data for a curve that is perpendicular or not-tangent
to a lot line?

Line bearing is N44-27'26"W, then connects to a curve with R = 225.00
L=98.29' D=89-55'53" then connects to another line with bearing
N44-22'-12"E. I can't figure out how to enter this curve data and close the
lot polygon, since this curve is not tangent to either one of the lines. And
I have a bunch of lots in the same situation, which are either on a
cul-de-sac or the curve of a road.

Thank you in advance.

"Ray" <ra@nospam.com> wrote in message
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thanks for the advice djohnson.

"djohnson" <look@below.com> wrote in message
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i dont see any problem in what your doing. I would make note of it and
pass that info on to who ever needs to know.

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:10 pm**

i am not sure what the best way for that is. personally I just treat it
like a new deed that starts with a curve and select the endpoint of the
last polyline as the start point. hopefully someone else can tell you
the proper way to handle that situation.

Posted: **Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:55 am**

On 4/18/2005 7:29 AM Ray wrote:

Now, I have been running into the following problem:
When entering the deed description from the data on the plan for a line with
bearing N08-16'-37"W the line is drawn in the opposite direction of what is
shown on the plan!!! So I tried S08-16'-37"E and it is drawn in the correct
direction but (of course) the label doesn't correspond to the plan label and
I am not sure this is the best practice, specially regarding closure
precision.

If you are entering a NW line, then it should draw a NW line. If you
enter NW and expect the line to be drawing SE - it won't work for you.

If the bearings on your deed do not follow the parcel around in the same
direction, then the deed is written wrong (IMHO). When we label a plat,
easement, etc., we start at the POB and go clockwise. All bearings
correspond to the direction of the traverse.

Posted: **Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:57 am**

On 4/18/2005 1:14 PM Ray wrote:

How can I enter curve data for a curve that is perpendicular or not-tangent
to a lot line?

Are you using "Enter Deed Description"? If not, start, that's what it's
for. It includes functionality to accommodate non-tangent curves.

No need to stop and start over. Ugh.

Posted: **Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:59 pm**

Thanks R.K.

I am already using Enter Deed Description and have been working fine until I
got to the lots on a cul-de-sac and/or on a curve. Still trying to figure
out how to enter a non-tangent curve that only provides with R, Delta and
Arc Length.

Also, I realized the bearings should follow the parcel around (clockwise)
starting at the point of beginning but the thing is I only got a hard copy
of the plan showing the deed, so there is only so much I can do.

Thanks for the observations, I will pass them on.

"R.K. McSwain" <not@autodesk.com> wrote in message
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On 4/18/2005 7:29 AM Ray wrote:

Now, I have been running into the following problem:
When entering the deed description from the data on the plan for a line
with bearing N08-16'-37"W the line is drawn in the opposite direction of
what is shown on the plan!!! So I tried S08-16'-37"E and it is drawn in
the correct direction but (of course) the label doesn't correspond to the
plan label and I am not sure this is the best practice, specially
regarding closure precision.

If you are entering a NW line, then it should draw a NW line. If you enter
NW and expect the line to be drawing SE - it won't work for you.

If the bearings on your deed do not follow the parcel around in the same
direction, then the deed is written wrong (IMHO). When we label a plat,
easement, etc., we start at the POB and go clockwise. All bearings
correspond to the direction of the traverse.

Posted: **Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:21 pm**

Ray wrote:

I am already using Enter Deed Description and have been working fine until I
got to the lots on a cul-de-sac and/or on a curve. Still trying to figure
out how to enter a non-tangent curve that only provides with R, Delta and
Arc Length.

Then you don't have enough information.

The deed/plat preparer should have included a chord bearing or radial
bearing. "Enter Deed Description" will allow you to enter either of
these specs.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:27 am**

R.K. is right, you need a chord or radial bearing to enter the non-tangent
curve.

As to your other problem, I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to check.
A plan of a single lot or a subdivision of multiple lots? If you are
checking a plan with multiple lots, then the bearing on a common line will
be wrong on one of the lots. It's not that anything is wrong, one of them
has to be backwards. It's all a dependant on preference, but I like to label
the bearing going away from the road, that way I know when I'm going back
toward the road I have to reverse the quadrant.

Jason

"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ray wrote:

I am already using Enter Deed Description and have been working fine
until I
got to the lots on a cul-de-sac and/or on a curve. Still trying to
figure
out how to enter a non-tangent curve that only provides with R, Delta
and
Arc Length.

Then you don't have enough information.

The deed/plat preparer should have included a chord bearing or radial
bearing. "Enter Deed Description" will allow you to enter either of
these specs.

Posted: **Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:55 pm**

Thanks all for your help and advice.

Yeah it was a subdivision with multiple lots and I finally figured out how
to do it by using the Enter Deed Description command, of course, thanks to
all your suggestions.

"Jason Bly" <noemail@sorry.com> wrote in message
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R.K. is right, you need a chord or radial bearing to enter the non-tangent
curve.

As to your other problem, I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to
check.
A plan of a single lot or a subdivision of multiple lots? If you are
checking a plan with multiple lots, then the bearing on a common line will
be wrong on one of the lots. It's not that anything is wrong, one of them
has to be backwards. It's all a dependant on preference, but I like to
label
the bearing going away from the road, that way I know when I'm going back
toward the road I have to reverse the quadrant.

Jason

"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d43ejv$ju9$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Ray wrote:

I am already using Enter Deed Description and have been working fine
until I
got to the lots on a cul-de-sac and/or on a curve. Still trying to
figure
out how to enter a non-tangent curve that only provides with R, Delta
and
Arc Length.

Then you don't have enough information.

The deed/plat preparer should have included a chord bearing or radial
bearing. "Enter Deed Description" will allow you to enter either of
these specs.

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