3D Polyline Bug?

[JWG]

SurvCadd XML, Any Windows, Any Computer

The 3D Polyline routine (for perimeter Tag) in the DTM module is not
working. Can't zoom or pan (which is absolutely necessary). Doesn't work
regardless of the installation or Windows version. Help?

Jack G

[R.K. McSwain]

Are you talking about Draw 3DPoly Perimeter in the Site menu? I can zoom and
pan just fine. Can you be more specific?



"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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SurvCadd XML, Any Windows, Any Computer

The 3D Polyline routine (for perimeter Tag) in the DTM module is not
working. Can't zoom or pan (which is absolutely necessary). Doesn't work
regardless of the installation or Windows version. Help?

Jack G

[Jack G]

DTM Module - 3D Poly menu - Draw 3D Polyline
==================================


"R.K. McSwain" <rmcswain@carlsonsw.com> wrote in message
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Are you talking about Draw 3DPoly Perimeter in the Site menu? I can zoom
and
pan just fine. Can you be more specific?



"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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SurvCadd XML, Any Windows, Any Computer

The 3D Polyline routine (for perimeter Tag) in the DTM module is not
working. Can't zoom or pan (which is absolutely necessary). Doesn't work
regardless of the installation or Windows version. Help?

Jack G

[R.K. McSwain]

Using it now, I'm able to zoom and pan just fine. What is happening to you,
does it kill the command, crash AutoCAD, command just doesn't even start??


"Jack G" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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DTM Module - 3D Poly menu - Draw 3D Polyline
==================================


"R.K. McSwain" <rmcswain@carlsonsw.com> wrote in message
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Are you talking about Draw 3DPoly Perimeter in the Site menu? I can zoom
and
pan just fine. Can you be more specific?



"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
news:arjvub$k82$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
SurvCadd XML, Any Windows, Any Computer

The 3D Polyline routine (for perimeter Tag) in the DTM module is not
working. Can't zoom or pan (which is absolutely necessary). Doesn't
work
regardless of the installation or Windows version. Help?

Jack G

[JWG]

I am zoomed out when I first start the routine. All appears normal except
for the color of the polyline. There appears to be 2 lines being drawn. When
I zoom window to continue the 3D Poly, the line I am drawing disappears. If
I am zoomed in to begin with, I may just pan realtime over to the next set
of points I want to connect. As soon as I pan realtime and exit the pan, the
line disappears. If I continue the polyline, it again appears as 2 polylines
at the same time, one white, one red (my layer color), which is NOT THE WAY
SURVCADD CES WORKS. Upon finishing the routine, only the part that was
visible on screen is drawn and it is drawn as the 2 polylines, but only one
will erase. The other line can only be removed from the screen with a regen.
It does this on my personal XML seat at home and SEC's XML seat that I use
at work. Two different computers, two different ACADs, two different
operating systems, SAME result. If you are not having the same problem,
perhaps you need to send me a patch for that routine. Both of my seats, home
and work, were ordered and sent the same day. It is unusable. Luckily,
AutoCAD's 3D Poly routine works just fine. Only trouble is, I have to waste
a space in a toolbar for it. Although I did not have SurvCADD CES at home,
my CES seat at work did not have this bug.

Configurations:
Work: Win98se, AutoCAD 2000 SP2
Home: Win2000 SP3, AutoCAD 2002 SP1
Both computers are Intel PIII based

JWG

[R.K. McSwain]

I see two differences:
1) A pan or zoom causes the temporary linework up to that point to
disappear.
2) A regen may be required at the end to correct the display of the
polyline.

The reason for the different behavior is that in XML, this command allows
arcs. Since 3D Polylines cannot contain true circular arcs, SurvCADD
approximates the arc with a series of line segments. In previous versions of
SurvCADD, this command just drove the AutoCAD 3DPOLY command. But since that
command will not accept arcs, the XML version gathers ALL the data (points
picked, arcs, etc) ____then____ draws the 3D Polyline when the command is
over. What you see disappearing after a pan or zoom are just temporary
vectors.

Now, that said, I'm not saying we can't do a better job to mimic the AutoCAD
3DPOLY command, but Draw 3D Polyline is currently working *as designed*. The
only possible "bug" is if it's sometimes drawing 2 polylines requiring a
regen to fix. (Note that I do not get the double polylines, I get one
multi-colored polyline). Regardless of that, I can't see how it's
"unusable"? Nuisance maybe, but not unusable.

I will report the "double polyline" and the disapearing segments and see if
we can't make it feel like the old version. Thanks for bringing this to our
attention.

------------------------
Randall McSwain
Carlson Software

"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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I am zoomed out when I first start the routine. All appears normal except
for the color of the polyline. There appears to be 2 lines being drawn.
When
I zoom window to continue the 3D Poly, the line I am drawing disappears.
If
I am zoomed in to begin with, I may just pan realtime over to the next set
of points I want to connect. As soon as I pan realtime and exit the pan,
the
line disappears. If I continue the polyline, it again appears as 2
polylines
at the same time, one white, one red (my layer color), which is NOT THE
WAY
SURVCADD CES WORKS. Upon finishing the routine, only the part that was
visible on screen is drawn and it is drawn as the 2 polylines, but only
one
will erase. The other line can only be removed from the screen with a
regen.
It does this on my personal XML seat at home and SEC's XML seat that I use
at work. Two different computers, two different ACADs, two different
operating systems, SAME result. If you are not having the same problem,
perhaps you need to send me a patch for that routine. Both of my seats,
home
and work, were ordered and sent the same day. It is unusable. Luckily,
AutoCAD's 3D Poly routine works just fine. Only trouble is, I have to
waste
a space in a toolbar for it. Although I did not have SurvCADD CES at home,
my CES seat at work did not have this bug.

Configurations:
Work: Win98se, AutoCAD 2000 SP2
Home: Win2000 SP3, AutoCAD 2002 SP1
Both computers are Intel PIII based

JWG

[JWG]

You are missing the point. After I zoom or pan, ALL previous lines I have
drawn during this command disappear. My mouse is at the last point I picked
so the line will start again when I pick the next point. Then it will
disappear again at the next pan. Do you see what's happening here? There is
no way for me to tell where I started from in order to close it! You can't
tell me ANY command would have been designed that way, unless it was
designed by Bill Gates. Bill hasn't moved to Boston, has he?
I use this line to tag as a perimeter for contouring a site. This command
clearly is no longer usable for this function. That being the case, why
don't you just put it in the Cogo module, since it is of no use anymore in
the DTM module? This command is just not behaving properly. Why is the
screen flashing during the command? Why is the line that disappeared drawn
as CYAN when the command finishes, while the real line's color is drawn
bylayer (correctly)? I will just remove this command from my customized
buttons, and replace it with the AutoCAD 3dpoly. Bottom line - NO POLYLINE
COMMAND, 3D OR 2D should make the previously drawn lines DISAPPEAR from the
screen simply because of a pan or zoom (transparent commands). How do you
know where to come back to for closing it?

While we are talking DTM, is there any way for me to keep my DTM
configuration info, similar to COGO? Every dwg I work on, requires me to
re-enter the Layers, line widths, max length of triangle, break line at
contour, contour label size, layer, etc.

Thank you for your help.
jwg

[R.K. McSwain]

"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote

You are missing the point.

If you will read the first two lines of my previous post, it's clear that I DO understand the point....

******************* QUOTE ******************************
I see two differences:
1) A pan or zoom causes the temporary linework up to that point to
disappear.
***************** END QUOTE *****************************

....and I explained why. AutoCAD's 3DPoly DOES NOT allows arcs, our 3D poly DOES. Therefore, the command must "collect" the coordinate data (as compared to actually drawing it) and then construct the polyline when the command is done.

[Jack G]

Do you think they will fix it so it does draw the line properly?



"R.K. McSwain" <rmcswain@carlsonsw.com> wrote in message
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"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote

You are missing the point.

If you will read the first two lines of my previous post, it's clear that I
DO understand the point....

******************* QUOTE ******************************
I see two differences:
1) A pan or zoom causes the temporary linework up to that point to
disappear.
***************** END QUOTE *****************************

....and I explained why. AutoCAD's 3DPoly DOES NOT allows arcs, our 3D poly
DOES. Therefore, the command must "collect" the coordinate data (as compared
to actually drawing it) and then construct the polyline when the command is
done.

[Terry Scanlon]

"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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You are missing the point. After I zoom or pan, ALL previous lines I have
drawn during this command disappear. My mouse is at the last point I
picked
so the line will start again when I pick the next point. Then it will
disappear again at the next pan. Do you see what's happening here? There
is
no way for me to tell where I started from in order to close it! You can't
tell me ANY command would have been designed that way, unless it was
designed by Bill Gates. Bill hasn't moved to Boston, has he?
I use this line to tag as a perimeter for contouring a site. This command
clearly is no longer usable for this function. That being the case, why
don't you just put it in the Cogo module, since it is of no use anymore in
the DTM module? This command is just not behaving properly. Why is the
screen flashing during the command? Why is the line that disappeared drawn
as CYAN when the command finishes, while the real line's color is drawn
bylayer (correctly)? I will just remove this command from my customized
buttons, and replace it with the AutoCAD 3dpoly. Bottom line - NO POLYLINE
COMMAND, 3D OR 2D should make the previously drawn lines DISAPPEAR from
the
screen simply because of a pan or zoom (transparent commands). How do you
know where to come back to for closing it?

While we are talking DTM, is there any way for me to keep my DTM
configuration info, similar to COGO? Every dwg I work on, requires me to
re-enter the Layers, line widths, max length of triangle, break line at
contour, contour label size, layer, etc.

Thank you for your help.
jwg

Hi Jack,

Another user here. Have you considered drawing a 2d polyline and coverting
it to 3d?

Is the perimeter you are drawing just to limit triangulate and contour? or
is it a 3d line
used in the model as a "catch" line for proposed contours?

Terry Scanlon

[R.K. McSwain]

From the programming team:

"This command will be redesigned completely for the next release of SurvCADD due out early next year. At this point we try to optimize our efforts to facilitate a sooner release of that version. You comments will be taken into account in the design of the feature."


"Jack G" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message news:artbbr$d21$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Do you think they will fix it so it does draw the line properly?

[Jack G]

I can use AutoCAD's 3D Polyline routine. As Mr.McSwain said, the previous 3D
Poly in CES used that exact routine. It's not a big deal, but I was excited
to see ARC in the new routine only to be disappointed when the line
disappeared with a realtime pan. To answer your question, I use it for both,
a boundary and a catch in between DTM boundary points.


"Terry Scanlon" <tpsx@dbfinc.com> wrote in message
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"JWG" <jackg@sec-civil.com> wrote in message
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You are missing the point. After I zoom or pan, ALL previous lines I
have
drawn during this command disappear. My mouse is at the last point I
picked
so the line will start again when I pick the next point. Then it will
disappear again at the next pan. Do you see what's happening here? There
is
no way for me to tell where I started from in order to close it! You
can't
tell me ANY command would have been designed that way, unless it was
designed by Bill Gates. Bill hasn't moved to Boston, has he?
I use this line to tag as a perimeter for contouring a site. This
command
clearly is no longer usable for this function. That being the case, why
don't you just put it in the Cogo module, since it is of no use anymore
in
the DTM module? This command is just not behaving properly. Why is the
screen flashing during the command? Why is the line that disappeared
drawn
as CYAN when the command finishes, while the real line's color is drawn
bylayer (correctly)? I will just remove this command from my customized
buttons, and replace it with the AutoCAD 3dpoly. Bottom line - NO
POLYLINE
COMMAND, 3D OR 2D should make the previously drawn lines DISAPPEAR from
the
screen simply because of a pan or zoom (transparent commands). How do
you
know where to come back to for closing it?

While we are talking DTM, is there any way for me to keep my DTM
configuration info, similar to COGO? Every dwg I work on, requires me to
re-enter the Layers, line widths, max length of triangle, break line at
contour, contour label size, layer, etc.

Thank you for your help.
jwg



Hi Jack,

Another user here. Have you considered drawing a 2d polyline and
coverting
it to 3d?

Is the perimeter you are drawing just to limit triangulate and contour?
or
is it a 3d line
used in the model as a "catch" line for proposed contours?

Terry Scanlon