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[bill eggers]

How can I resize symbols(points) without resizing the attributes?


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[John Macolini]

If you create your points so that the symbols come in on a different layer,
then you can just use the scale command.

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[bill eggers]

If you mean use the standard scale command, that would mean scaling each
point individually to maintain it's position. I can resize the point, but
the attributes resize also. In EP I could specify to scale the symbol but
maintain the same size for the attributes.






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[John Macolini]

You're right. That's what I would do, if I only had a few points to change.

If you have a lot of points, then you can erase the points from the dwg, and
then re-insert them using FTF - AFTER you edit the FTF codes, to make the
symbols bigger.

I don't know if Carlson has a command like the LDD Rescale Blocks/Text
command.

There may be other ways too, that I'm not thinking of.

"bill eggers" <bill@mecels.com> wrote in message
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If you mean use the standard scale command, that would mean scaling each
point individually to maintain it's position. I can resize the point, but
the attributes resize also. In EP I could specify to scale the symbol but
maintain the same size for the attributes.






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[Doug Sims]

Bill,
you can also choose Tools>Insert Symbols...
This command allows you to specify what size you want the symbol to be,
and if you want it to replace the existing symbol. I use this a lot
since our company doesn't use the FTF functions often. Most of the time
I only need to do this (Insert Symbols...) with a few points (prop.
corners, fire hydrants, power poles). I can change the symbol and size
to fit the scale I need since I usually import the points on a larger
scale so that they take up less room.
However, I think the easiest command is: Points>Scale Point Attributes
This lets you pick which object of the point you want to scale (i.e.
symbol, desc, elev, number) This command automatically scales with the
base point at the point node (crd node). This and Move Point Attribute
are my most often used point commands (both available under the 'Points'
toolbar).
I hope this helps.
--Doug

John Macolini wrote:

You're right. That's what I would do, if I only had a few points to change.

If you have a lot of points, then you can erase the points from the dwg, and
then re-insert them using FTF - AFTER you edit the FTF codes, to make the
symbols bigger.

I don't know if Carlson has a command like the LDD Rescale Blocks/Text
command.

There may be other ways too, that I'm not thinking of.

"bill eggers" <bill@mecels.com> wrote in message
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If you mean use the standard scale command, that would mean scaling each
point individually to maintain it's position. I can resize the point, but
the attributes resize also. In EP I could specify to scale the symbol but
maintain the same size for the attributes.






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[Rob Cross]

I draw all of my symbols on layers labeled _sym such as UT-SAN_SYM. I will
normally isolate my symbol layers that I want resized and select all of my
symbols. Using the properties dialog box, I make sure that I only have
blocks selected and go to the Scale X, Y, and Z and change my scale to
whatever scale I want them at. If they are at the wrong scale still, it is
simple to change them again.

With as versatile as Carlson makes their products, I am sure there is a
command that works but I learned this using AutoCAD 13 and Softdesk 7.5 and
it has just stuck with me.


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[John Macolini]

Actually, I guess you can just isolate the layer, without the point layers
on, and then use Scale Point Attributes, and you can window in everything
you want to scale.

"Doug Sims" <dougsims@simslandsurveying.com> wrote in message
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Bill,
you can also choose Tools>Insert Symbols...
This command allows you to specify what size you want the symbol to be,
and if you want it to replace the existing symbol. I use this a lot
since our company doesn't use the FTF functions often. Most of the time
I only need to do this (Insert Symbols...) with a few points (prop.
corners, fire hydrants, power poles). I can change the symbol and size
to fit the scale I need since I usually import the points on a larger
scale so that they take up less room.
However, I think the easiest command is: Points>Scale Point Attributes
This lets you pick which object of the point you want to scale (i.e.
symbol, desc, elev, number) This command automatically scales with the
base point at the point node (crd node). This and Move Point Attribute
are my most often used point commands (both available under the 'Points'
toolbar).
I hope this helps.
--Doug

John Macolini wrote:
You're right. That's what I would do, if I only had a few points to
change.

If you have a lot of points, then you can erase the points from the dwg,
and
then re-insert them using FTF - AFTER you edit the FTF codes, to make
the
symbols bigger.

I don't know if Carlson has a command like the LDD Rescale Blocks/Text
command.

There may be other ways too, that I'm not thinking of.

"bill eggers" <bill@mecels.com> wrote in message
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If you mean use the standard scale command, that would mean scaling each
point individually to maintain it's position. I can resize the point,
but
the attributes resize also. In EP I could specify to scale the symbol
but
maintain the same size for the attributes.






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[Doug Sims]

Rob,
That's exactly what I used to do at my previous employer with LDD3. It
is a fairly efficient method, but Carlson's "Points>Scale Point
Attribute" that John and I mention does this automatically (filters out
only point attributes). You still need to have the symbols on separate
layers, but one scale setting is much easier than changing three values
in the properties dialog box. Give it a try and I think you will like it.

--Doug
PS-If you mess up the scale, you can always go back to John's original
suggestion of erasing the points and then inserting them at the right scale.

Rob Cross wrote:

I draw all of my symbols on layers labeled _sym such as UT-SAN_SYM. I will
normally isolate my symbol layers that I want resized and select all of my
symbols. Using the properties dialog box, I make sure that I only have
blocks selected and go to the Scale X, Y, and Z and change my scale to
whatever scale I want them at. If they are at the wrong scale still, it is
simple to change them again.

With as versatile as Carlson makes their products, I am sure there is a
command that works but I learned this using AutoCAD 13 and Softdesk 7.5 and
it has just stuck with me.


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[Bill Eggers]

This seems like the way to go, but I'm not getting the result I'm looking
for. When I select the point there is not a choice of what will scale
(symbol,attribute) it just changes everything. Maybe it has to do with
the point being a block.
I guess I could try deleting the symbols and reinserting them with a
different scale, but that seems like a lot of work for something that
should be simple. Also, I'm still a little scared of deleting points from
the drawing, not accustomed to them being in the crd file and being able
to restore the drawing from the crd.
Thanks for all the responses.






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[Bill Eggers]

Ok, I think I see what someone was saying about choosing what you want to
change, symbol or attribute. It is in Edit Multiple Point Attributes. I
can change just the symbol size or select one of the attributes and change
the height.
That should work. So many tools, but they all have different names and
are in different places than I know from EP.
It would be helpful if there were an easy way to


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[John Macolini]

I don't know about that method.

I still think that your best bet is to make sure that you create the points
so that the symbols are separate layers. Isolate the symbol layer (without
the point layers), and then use Scale Point Attributes. Window in all the
symbols, and you should be all set.

If you haven't created the points so that the symbols are separate layers,
then set your defaults so that they are (either in Point defaults and/or in
your Field to Finish codes - whichever you used to create the points).
Erase points from the dwg and not from the coord file (it asks you). And
then reinsert them.

It takes a while to get used to the way it works. But once you've got it
set up, you'll like it. And definitely start using FTF, if you're not
already.


"Bill Eggers" <bill@mecels.com> wrote in message
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Ok, I think I see what someone was saying about choosing what you want to
change, symbol or attribute. It is in Edit Multiple Point Attributes. I
can change just the symbol size or select one of the attributes and change
the height.
That should work. So many tools, but they all have different names and
are in different places than I know from EP.
It would be helpful if there were an easy way to


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[Doug Sims]

Bill,
If you want to just scale the symbol, then click just the symbol when
you run the Scale Point Attribute command. If you window your selection,
then it will scale all of the attributes (as I understand it, each piece
is an attribute: elev, number, desc, symbol). I successfully scaled just
the symbol using this method by simply clicking the symbol after
entering my scale factor.
An easy way to isolate just the symbols is to turn OFF (not freeze) the
PNTDESC, PNTELEV, PNTNO (assuming you use the default) layers and this
will leave the symbols on, with no other attributes ON in the drawing.
Then you may window all the symbols you wish to scale. Note that you
don't have to isolate the point layers, since this command will ignore
any object which is not a point attribute.
Hope this clears things up,
--Doug

Bill Eggers wrote:

This seems like the way to go, but I'm not getting the result I'm looking
for. When I select the point there is not a choice of what will scale
(symbol,attribute) it just changes everything. Maybe it has to do with
the point being a block.
I guess I could try deleting the symbols and reinserting them with a
different scale, but that seems like a lot of work for something that
should be simple. Also, I'm still a little scared of deleting points from
the drawing, not accustomed to them being in the crd file and being able
to restore the drawing from the crd.
Thanks for all the responses.






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[bill eggers]

Doug
I tried turning off the attributes (I usually freeze), but that still
scaled the attributes along with the symbol. Maybe something to do with
the way the blocks were created, something may have a strange association.
But using the scale multimple attributes seems to work well.
I am working on getting my FTF codes set up. There's a lot to it and I'm
sure it will need lots of tweaking. I used EAgle POint for 10 years and
it took me a long time to get that set up right. I'm sure this will be
easier since I have a clue as to what its about this time.


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[John Macolini]

Yeah, the key is in setting your Point Defaults and the FTF codes.

Once you have that done, you should be able to do what you want.

And if you aren't doing linework with the FTF, you're really missing out on
a key feature.

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Doug
I tried turning off the attributes (I usually freeze), but that still
scaled the attributes along with the symbol. Maybe something to do with
the way the blocks were created, something may have a strange association.
But using the scale multimple attributes seems to work well.
I am working on getting my FTF codes set up. There's a lot to it and I'm
sure it will need lots of tweaking. I used EAgle POint for 10 years and
it took me a long time to get that set up right. I'm sure this will be
easier since I have a clue as to what its about this time.


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[Barkley Hensley]

See if Edit > Change > Block/Inserts > Resize is what you are looking for.


bill eggers wrote:

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