Coordinate File Problems

[Brian McCain, PLS]

Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the command
"undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain

[Rob Cross]

After you UNDO, go to Coordinate File Utilities> Update Coordinate File From
Drawing.


"Brian McCain, PLS" <esurvey1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:e5o5oh$mbf$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the
command "undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain

[Terry Watson]

Rob Cross wrote:

After you UNDO, go to Coordinate File Utilities> Update Coordinate File From
Drawing.


"Brian McCain, PLS" <esurvey1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:e5o5oh$mbf$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the
command "undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain



What if you go through the coordinate file routines?

[R.K. McSwain]

Brian McCain, PLS said the following on 6/1/2006 8:54 PM:
That is, when you perform those actions, you

cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file.

AutoCAD's UNDO command simply undo's graphical and drawing database
actions. It doesn't know about other activities that have occurred,
specifically external file modifications.


--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com

[BSS]

Translate, Rotate and Align all have options to undo within their respective
windows. "Undo Last Rotate" for instance. These undo commands
simultaneously update the .crd file. I don't know why the Scale Points
command doesn't have a similar undo. Using the "Update .crd file from
drawing" command is dangerous. If your points are not located on the real
z-axis, or if they do not have their elevations drawn in, you will lose all
you elevation data. This really sucks on a large job which has been
networked and adjusted. Just be careful using that technique.

"Brian McCain, PLS" <esurvey1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:e5o5oh$mbf$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the
command "undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain

[Doug Sims]

Yes, I agree about the update command. I also have lost elevation data
because of it.
The best (safest) practice is to make a backup of the .crd or write to a
new .crd file when you perform the command.
That way you don't lose anything if you need to go back.

BSS wrote:

Translate, Rotate and Align all have options to undo within their respective
windows. "Undo Last Rotate" for instance. These undo commands
simultaneously update the .crd file. I don't know why the Scale Points
command doesn't have a similar undo. Using the "Update .crd file from
drawing" command is dangerous. If your points are not located on the real
z-axis, or if they do not have their elevations drawn in, you will lose all
you elevation data. This really sucks on a large job which has been
networked and adjusted. Just be careful using that technique.

"Brian McCain, PLS" <esurvey1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:e5o5oh$mbf$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the
command "undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain

[Brian McCain]

Hey Guys and Gals,

I was only bringing that to your attention. Under the settings dialog box,
you have
an option of "Link coords with drawing". This option allows you to move any
of
the coordinates you want to and also if you mess up, you can type "undo" and
the
coordinate file fixes itself. I was only pointing out that you may "move"
any point
and undo it to go back to the original and your coordinate file wiill also
reflect that.
But, with the "scale points" and "translate points" it is not so simple. I
would like for
Carlson to make all those work the same. If you are going to link the crd
file to the
drawing, then it should be all of the commands, not some and not the other.
If you are going to type undo, and the graphical representation of your
drawing
goes back to before the "oops", then scaling and translations should be so
simple.
I just didn't want some greenhorn, or veteran, if he is not so inclined, to
grab aholt
of this software thinking he was safe typing "undo"
See what i'm sayin???



"Brian McCain, PLS" <esurvey1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:e5o5oh$mbf$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Hey guys,

Has anyone noticed that when you scale coordinates, translate coordinates,
etc
that you have one shot only. That is, when you perform those actions, you
cannot
simply type "undo" and get your coordinates back. Once you go through that
action
you are stuck with the coordinates in the crd file. You can type the
command "undo"
and have the points go back to their old positions, but your coordinates
file will not
go back. Even if the "link points with crd file" is toggled or not.

Any fixes or comments?

Brian McCain